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Elaine Joined on 28 jan. 2003 Total posts: 126	Re: Poor Canada 29. febrúar 2008 10:18 sambatogo: The IDSF no longer ban dancers that compete in unsanctioned events. It is CADA that decide to do it in Canada, all by themselves. Dear Sambatogo Can you please tell me where you got the information that the IDSF no longer ban dancers that compete in unsanctioned events, is it officially in writing somewhere??? Reply Quote
little_sonya Joined on 22 feb. 2008 Total posts: 5	Re: Poor Canada 29. febrúar 2008 16:55 Sambatogo I feel that just because I like swimming, tennis, dancing, sailing and singing I must belong to every state's swimming association, tennis association, dancing, sailing association and be a member of an Opera House. I accept that if I want to compete I must register as a competitor in a given sport, but the registration should be valid for a broad area in that sport and for a specific time, subject to specific rules - that is nothing new, it is quite normal and expected. You misunderstood, I am not a "dance sport athlete" but I am a competitor, I also compete in Irish dances. I do not mind to pay an entry fee to an organizer, but I feel that people who register with the state's organization should be allowed to enter any competition offered by the country. One membership should be sufficient. It keeps the record of members. You need not two driver licences, two licence plates for your car. Why would you need dual registrations for dance ? Especially if you want to enter and dance in just one event offered in Ontario ? I am not wealthy nor foolish to waste my hard earned moneys. I agree with you that it would be much nicer if registered members were recognized across the land, and allowed to dance anywhere they wanted, but I suppose some restrictions need be in place, just as there are restrictions where you can park, or drive your car, and if caught in a restricted parking spot, the car licence is used to trace and contact you and tell you you should not have taken the spot of another registered and recognized 'less fortunate' person. I also did not find the information you provided. IDSF does not allow their members dance anywhere they want, and CADA do not decide themselves as you wrote. It appears CADA and OADA follow IDSF guidelines, and that it is IDSF which suggests to their national members that they should not support events which do not seek IDSF/CADA sanctioning. I think you were mistaken that IDSF allowes their members to dance anywhere they want, and it would be wonderful if IDSF eased their restrictions. On the other hand , while trying to be completely open minded, I understand that if organizations 'not friendly' to IDSF start openly attract IDSF members, start asking IDSF members to brake IDSF rules, while insisting on additional registrations/membership, ....this could not make IDSF and their national members very happy, resulting in a dicreased support to such 'not friendly' business competitors, and instructions ( in the form of Rules ) to their membership, all for own protection, and protection of their existence. This is not hard to understand. You also pointed out I should look into WDC. I find you can enter Blackpool competition, just send and pay Sandra the required sum of moneys, I do not see any requirement to belong to any special dance organisation. If WDC does not require a registration, something you suggested, if this is correct ( an it may not ) why would WDC followers, such as CDDSC require registration, in fact a dual registration in their country ? If CDDSC wants to succeed , they need to encourage dancers to participate with as few restrictions as possible. They need offer good quality dance opportunities, at a reasonable frequency, they need treat all entries with dignity, respect, and associated organizers cannot hassel, nickel and dime participants, charge for starting numbers, and drinks while not providing water free of charge , force participants to use cloke rooms and pay extra for every garment they have under the pretence there is not enough room in change rooms. They should drop the registration requirement for the time being and stop bothering CADA with hostilities. Perhaps CADA would soften their approach and become more CDDSC friendly, but that would require CDDSC to become more tolerant and recognize existence of CDF. Reply Quote
sambatogo Joined on 29 ágú. 2007 Total posts: 74	Re: Poor Canada 29. febrúar 2008 17:37 To little_sonya, If you are not a "dancesport athelete" {In very IDSF terms} Why do you care what any of the answers to any of your questions really are? You seem to know a lot about it for someone who is not involved? You surely are are not little, as you originally tried to portray! Regarding IDSF policy see the IDSF website. For their policies: It is well known that many IDSF member countries do NOT ban their couples for competing in unsanctioned events. {Hong Kong and China is 2} The IDSF lost several court cases to do with the above subjects. So they no longer have that policy. As the WDC said. "The IDSF have changed their policy, but not their position." Meaning that the IDSF decided to let individual countries do their dirty work. And we believe slow down the democratic process, as they viciously intended. The IDSF`s long time Excecutive member Vince Bain, did not agree with the IDSF actions. And he was promptly removed by those dictators. Sambatogo. Reply Quote
quicktime2 Joined on 31 ágú. 2007 Total posts: 66	Re: Poor Canada 29. febrúar 2008 18:13 to little_ sonya You wrote I do not mind to pay an entry fee to an organizer, but I feel that people who register with the state's organization should be allowed to enter any competition offered by the country. The STATE'S ORGANIZATION?? Are you saying CADA reports to the Government of Canada ? Now won't IDSF be disappointed. By the way I don't blame you for making up new names. Try another one (or your old ones) as you wriggle out of the statements you make. Reply Quote
quicktime2 Joined on 31 ágú. 2007 Total posts: 66	Re: Poor Canada 29. febrúar 2008 18:41 to sambatogo You are right in all counts. I have heard that Vince Bain, who was a vice-president of IDSF and in charge of policy, wanted to present a paper criticizing the way the IDSFpolicy was heading and recommending that they should continue the negotiations with WDC. At the IDSF AGM CADA apparently objected to the paper even being discussed? Does anyone know about this? With respect to WDC policy see the April 2007 press release on their website - WDC and the Open Market. Also see www.cddsc.com The WDC and all organizers of open events, Amateur and/or Professional, hereby declare that we shall allow total freedom of entry and participation to all dancers no matter whether they are registered with WDC - IDSF or all or none of the aove. We invite IDSF, in pursuit of the recently acclaimed open market, to do the same. Reply Quote
sambatogo Joined on 29 ágú. 2007 Total posts: 74	Re: Poor Canada 29. febrúar 2008 22:22 Well guys, It was ommitted in the last posting that USA Dance appears to not have any bans on their website. Unlike Canada which features many, to answer those who asked. Even though it makes no difference to those people that are apparently happy with these types of threats. Gladly, Denmark lead the way for freedom. Sambatogo. Reply Quote
aspirin Joined on 14 sep. 2007 Total posts: 30	Re: Poor Canada 1. mars 2008 13:56 Is this a gender sensitive site ? Am I being excluded from your discusions, is this all about 'guys lets get together on this one' ? Do you not want to include us ? What is this attack on the size of a new contributor who logs under little Sonya ? No welcomes ? Have we so many new contributors here to attack and be paranoid about sizes, genders ? It is all interesting for lonely two contributors with same number of posts to pat themselves on the back. Do you not think the two may be the same ? Is it so important that one name disappears to reappear under another ? What matters is the substance of discussion, personaly I care very little if someone signs as Keggs, and greets us under Steve ? Or if Quickstep is 1,2 or 5 or even sambatogo, who writes for his family always ready to speak badly about anything CADA mamagement , IDSF related. I note a trend when I see posters "innocently" digging out from the archives the name Mr. Bain, and repeating endlessly the long ago posted and repeated to no ends using exact words of an experienced, now apparentlt departed contributor, who signed under Polkadancer sign. I am considered a 'sport athlete' by definition, and I am all "to allow total freedom of entry and participation to all dancers no matter whether they are registered with WDC ". This is utopia ! Total freedom ? Can anything like that exist, total, means with no exception. It is not possible, 'total freedom ' it is just a dream. Even WDC does not pravtice it. But it sure sounds attractive. Why on Earth do I need to register, belong and pays fees to CDDSC if I am already registered as a dancer, athlete with another recognized and well respected ( except by a few 'guys' ) organisation ? Please forgive me 'guys', I forgot, if you attend this Burlington Spring June 08 event, they are promising that the organiser would pay your new CDDSC annual membership fee for you. Now, that makes it a real bargain you would think, and so much more attractive now. " Away with CADA, away with OADA, go against everything your organisations says and does for you, lets do it, go againt OADA, get expelled for a year, after all you will benefit by saving on the annual mebership fee to CDDSC. BUT Behold !!! Since the event is in JUNE and memberships are paid for a calendar year, you should be paying just half of the CDDSC membership fee, because half a year is already gone. Many countries have such policy. Does CDDSC. ( We girls say: " Who Cares ? " ) Ask yourself: 1. "Will I be asked to sign a disclaimer that my name and pictures may be used for future CDDSC and other promotions and advertizings ?" 2. " Am I ready to throw away what I worked so hard for to belong to an organisation which is now irrelevant in my country ?" 3. "Will there be another event in Ontario I would be able to attend when cast away from my own organisation, when most CDDSC sanctioned competitions are in Quebec, and not even attended by the Canada top dancers ?" Well girls, I submitt, Danish girls rock and if guys sambatogo and quickcome do not like it, we . girls, may talk amongst ourselves. Hey, old Jazz, Jive2005, little_sonya, Tango, Polkadancer... have a voice on this site Reply Quote
jive2004 Joined on 02 nóv. 2006 Total posts: 106	Re: Poor Canada 1. mars 2008 15:38 I find the title proposed by moderate-man quite inappropriate. @aspirin as 'girls' lets first be more feminine and polite and get our names right: you probaly meant Quickstep and not Quickcome , and you probably meant Jive 2004 and not Jive2005. Now, that we have it right, and while I agree on some point you made, I would not worry about poster calling others 'guys'. I do not think this was offensive, the poor soul is trying to sound chummy, warm and friendly and sounding as if corraling supporters. @little_Sonya welcome, no matter if you visited here before, or not. Little in size, big in heart, its all good, and do not let others get to you. @sambatogo there are two sides to a story, unfortunately you see just one. There is no need to attack anyone for taking side with IDSF, disliking CADA executives, just as there is no reason to attack you for siding with WDC and supporting CDDSC. It is that constant hostility and digging out corpses, and needling one another, tit fot tat, which prevents IDSF and WDC from talking, and for CADA and CDDSC from negotiating. I wish for calm and peace. I also agree that CDDSC website statements can be interpreted as a thorn aimining at the heart of CADA , their members , while, at the same time CADA has made sure they placed their guards up in form of restrictions. While digging in old archives, forget not that CADA used to allow their members to take part in CDDSC activities without any restrictions until CDDSC has insisted on dual memberships.. and introduced that infamous AmateurRegistry. Its time for calm and peace. Lets be nice one to another even here. Reply Quote
keggs Joined on 24 des. 2005 Total posts: 172	Re: Poor Canada 1. mars 2008 16:04 Hello all especialy any newcomers It seem the antagonsm between the different IDSF member organisations and WDC bodies is somewhat international. Not the case in Britain though simply because EADA is a member of the British Dance Council another WDC member. Sounds wonderful doesn't it - no antagonism. Don't you beleive it. The reality EADA has very limited say simply because the vast majority of BDC members are professional. EADA controls very little. The WDC would have everyone believe they believe in the so called free market and the IDSF bans people going to unsanctioned events. The BDC recently took out advertising space in Dance News telling all aompetitors they must obey all their rules. I wonder what would happen if EADA or anyone else decided to run a comp outside of the rules of the BDC? It seems to me that all the WDC organisations are simply trying to pretend to be friends of dancers and undermine IDSF dancers. When they have conveniently destroyed IDSF credibility what will they do then if someone decides to run or enter a comp outside of WDC rules? The phrase calling the kettle black comes to mind here! There really is only one solution Regards Steve Reply Quote
Elaine Joined on 28 jan. 2003 Total posts: 126	Re: Poor Canada 1. mars 2008 17:42 Hi Keggs Whilst I agree with much of what you say, you have to remember that EADA is also a member of the IDSF and sends our amatuer couples to IDSF World and European Championships. This also gives English Amatuers the right to take part in IDSF competitions around the world. However, this works both ways and also means that EADA members are advised not to take part in any events which are not sanctioned by the IDSF. Doing so can result in suspension of membership, both of EADA and the IDSF, as was the case with Warren and Kristi when they took part in the unsanctioned IDU World Championship Event. EADA Members were recently also advised by EADA not to take part in the Dutch Open, a competition which many English competitors have enjoyed attending over the years. EADA have at this stage, to my knowledge, still not issued any guidance to their members as to whether they will be permitted to take part in WDC Amatuer League events. What will happen in the future on the English front, I have no idea but for now it seems to me that EADA are to coin a phrase "between the devil and the deep blue sea" - Lol !! On the one hand they have to abide by BDC rules and IDSF on the other. They are to my mind in an unenviable position at the moment and we can only hope that if difficult decisions have to be made in the future that EADA makes those in what they believe will be in the best interests of their members. What I think I do know though, without any shadow of a doubt is that dancers don't want to have to be worrying about behind the scenes politics, or whether they are in danger of being suspended for dancing in an unsanctioned event, all they want is the freedom to compete where and when they want to. Reply Quote