Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.

27. júní 2007 10:55

Very Interesting

Four different members have chosen to make a post supposedly as a response and yet they failed to ANSWER EVEN ONE QUESTION.

No response either from the Canadian DanceSport Federation who scathingly informed the Webmaster "that was on your site last week"

We can certainly conclude they visit dancesportinfo.net or they would not have read the WDC Press Release "on your site". 

Do some people now wish to control what dance information appears on dance websites?

Well we all know that the answer is YES for some. So far as CDF - they have the opportunity to prove it correct or not. They have the opportunity to prove if they believe in the right of dancers to choose their own future and the freedom to compete as they wish.

Just as Canadian DanceSport Federation enjoyed the freedom to form their own new splinter body should others not have that right?

Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.

29. júní 2007 08:14

@ Jazz

Hi Jazz I know that you are a real perfectionist and that words and their meanings should be Professional. Accurate and Totally Detailed.

Maybe you can comment on the following to be found on the Canadian Dancesport Federation web site.

QUOTE

1. Adjudicators shall stand or be seated apart from one another whilst judging and at such locations on or on the perimeter of the floor, that they do not interfere with the competitors. The judge must be visible to the chairperson at all times. He/she must not stand in the audience, away from the floor.

9. While on the competition premises, Adjudicators shall conduct themselves with Professional decorum, including refraining from consuming alcohol during a judging session.

UNQUOTE

At frst I was a bit puzzled at the "Visions" and the meaning of "for for"  then I realised that the word should be force.  This set me wondering if for CDF the F word means FORCE and for the CD&DSC it means FREEDOM.? 

In  their "Missions" I wondered how they think that splits, bans, boycotts, isolation would help any dance person in their pursuit of excellence - which no doubt would also make them Supreme and Superior.?

Should they not explain their meaning of "innovative coaching schemes" and the date for commencment.

In their  "Goals" I note that they have no desire to work in the spirit of friendship with their other Professional Colleagues.  Rather sad I think but very telling as to their true "goal".

It matters not if it has an adverse effect which hinders fund raising and the introduction of Dance to a wider audience and its introduction in schools and colleges. 

Adjudicatos Conduct.

1. I loved that when a competitors thunders into an adjudicator it is the adjudicators fault for hindering the competitor. Can the competitor claim that because the adjudicator hinder them they were not given marks they should have had? How would CDF re-act if that did happen?.

Full marks to CDF regarding the Chairperson. At some IDSF events I have attended the Chairperson has completely disappeared when the rounds commence and they would not know if the judges remained or not.  They even leave it to the compere to determine if the orrect number of couples are on the floor.

There is no wording that the Chairperson should ensure that all competitors are treated in the same way and as equals.   If the Chairperson allows one couple (the organisers son and partner) to enter the competition floor from one corner whilst every other couple must crowd in another and enter from there (and are reprimanded if they do not) is that  acceptable?

9.  Wow!  Just think a judge can arrive hardly able to stand but so long as they do not drink any more alcohol during the "judging session" that is O.K.

 It even appears that "illegal substances" ae not banned for adjudicators as there is no mention of this..

Are adjudicators randomly breathalised to ensure that they follow the rules?

This happens with the competitors so far as the "AntiDoping" rule is concerned. 

NOTE. On the matter of a couple dancing ALL dances in the first round they have my 100% total support but are they aware that this is not the rule for IDSF to which CADA belong? 

 In the IDSF 2006 European Union 10 Dance Championship the eventual winners were allowed to dance only 7 dances in the first round and then continue simply because in the 7 dances they had gained enough marks.

Mr. Spaeker was the Chair Man.

If there had been a CDF member adjudicating that event what action would they have taken?

Added 3rd July.  Jazz I noticed tht you have not been logged in for some many days so I took the opportunity to make this addition on which I would really like to hear your answers which I undertand will be simply your personal opinion since you certainly cannot speak of behalf of CDF.

This is the wording in the CDF "MISSIONS"

Our mission is to foster a membership community whose core values help them in their pursuit of excellence in DanceSport, whether as competitors, coaches, adjudicators, scrutineers, or apprentice instructors

Do you think they are implying the CDDSF and WDC are NOT working for the same goals?

Why do CDF make no mention of the rights for coaches, adjudicator, promoters, et al  tobe able  pursue their professions without restraint of trade?

Why do CDF in their missions of community spirit not work with CDDSF who most certainly are part of the dancing community??  

Why do CDF  in the interest of excellence not condemn the non sanctioning of long standing extremely popular and succesful events and the banning of training with selected coaches?.

Do CDF truly believe that the berst future for dance is dominaton by "non dancers" whose real interest is power and  income"?

Finally is thie CDF letter intended as an attack on the principles of the WDC Amateur League and denying CADA members the right to remain CADA members but also have the right to compete in the atmosphere of friendship and freedom.to achieve their goal in their "pursuit of dance excellence"?

Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.

9. júlí 2007 10:03

jazz:

@beloved Polkadancer

 

you noted my absence...have  you  perhaps  missed me  ? I was just contemplating whether responding to you is not my waste of time...You ask many questions starting with  "why do CDF...."

Hello Jazz and welcome back.  Of course we all missed you.. It is like a birthday cake with no candles without you.

You are tight I asked many questions and have had almost NIL answers.

I am glad that you finally decided that replying to me was not a waste of time - well not for anyone who is a dance lover and interested in the future. I found the few aswers you gave rather interesting but also somewhat contradictory to many of your previous statements

It was CDF who decided to go PUBLIC with their announcement so it seems only correct that we deal with their mail in public.  After all I am quite sure that I am not the only person with a love for dancing who is very interested and especially in CDF response.

I skipped all the "soup" part since my love and interest is dancing but no doubt some may have found it interesting.

I think maybe I should prepare a new post and ask CDF to respond.  It is very obvious that they do visit the web site although I doubt that all those named do or even know that their names were being used.   

See you soon.

Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.

29. ágúst 2007 11:11

The report from Mr. Bain can be read in the thread I have opened specifically so people can read.

Can I just say that I share your opinion that many of the people named in the e-mail would be unhappy that they were "used" in this way.

Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.

30. ágúst 2007 01:55

Another sorry case for my couch ?

What is upsetting you ?  Improper  use of English language ?  Misuse of term 'Federation' ? 

What does it have to do with the fact that a group  of Canadian Professional Dance Teachers had a dispute, and resolved it by splitting and forming a new group.  What does it matter what the name ?

Is Kentucky Fried Chicken realy fried ?  Is it realy from Kentucky ?

Or,  is it just KSF ?

Definition of Federation ( one of  several ):

"Federation :  group of people united in a relationship of having same interest, activity, or purpose in common."

It is nice to see an informed and a new contributor with strong feelings towards CDF.    Has CDF hurt you,  so that you attack it ?  Has CDF hurt anyone  other than  those who  they left behind ? 

 Yes, they may have send a letter as a response to a statement issued by a small minority of CDDSC who appeared acting on the behalf of all Canadian Dance Professionals.  The letter indicated that today's   CDDSC does not speak on behalf of the professional majority,  in fact, they represent  just for a handful of the remaining Pros.

The letter listed names of professionals, who joined the leaders who spearheaded the split from CDDSC, under a united banner ...which they chose to name  CDF.  

Does it realy matter what name they chose ?  Do you think WDC has a title to the word "World"  ?  Shall we pick on the word  "Council" ?  Better not, right  ?

The next door Mr. Retard  made a good pizza.  He opened a store, which he did not call Retard's Pizza,  he called it Olympic Pizza. Another store is called The Best Buy..., Winners.   Do these name anything to do with the promise ?  Best Buy ?   Just go and look at the trash they sell at high prices.  Winners ?  Probably the owners after a successful  X-mas Sale event.

What is it that bothers you about CDF ?  That the members  resisted to being dictated by a minority ( the word is by  One or Two persons)   where they can and cannot make living ?   Has CDF made a big blunder anywhere ? Have they caused harm to Dancers, Dancesport ?

Canada is an independent country with people free to choose .

The people made the choice and dancesport in Canada prospers.

Unfortunately, the  choice by the overwhelming majority has not made  everyone happy. In this case those who tried to promote the North American Alliance and caused discontent amongst Canadian Dance Professionals,  same people who upset  CADA and the entire CADA membership  by insiting, amongs others  on some Registry,  were left alone, with a distant  'friend' in far  England, the same friend who trusted them with heading the North American Alliance .

I would the the first to speak up if CDF has hurt Canadian dancers,  but so far so good.  CADA and CDF appear working  togethere,  all dance teachers are enjoying limitless dance teaching opportunities thanks to and the  new dance renesance caused by  the increased interest and popularity of dance.

I can only say:  "Go CDF,  go ! "    

Is there nobody else we could gang up against,  someone who did something wrong ?   I do not mean the reminance of the CDDSC,  lets do not kisk the dead horse as someone so eloquantly said on this dance Forum .

This is an old news. surely there is something new in the rest of the World,  in other place than Canada ...??